They they gave me b12 in the hospital and it did work. In fact every other time I was in the hospital i broke down and ate meat but my b12 levels where on low side so imagine what is was when I was vegan.
I bring this up because b12 defiency can cause mental illness type symptoms up to hearing voices and seeing thing. I never experience that. So far we have. But there is more then I got a genetic test done and more lab work. It turns ou I have a genetic methylation disorder were my body uses up b12 quickly this is responsible for regulating key neurotransmitter. Without it you can trigger cell death ie Parkinson disease or mental illness type symptoms. So my cure. As for the rest of the blood work.
It turned out my lithium level were no existent. Before you say aha you should no most of the population has lithium defiency and doctor oz even recommend taking a small supplement. So how much lithium did she give 4 mg that is right 4 because any more that 5 is toxic to the body and give you side effects and the body does not need anymore.
Lithium is a naturally occuring substance in the body. It is like taking a vitamin but big pharma prescribe doeses of 50 mg and above to induce side effect so patients can get side effect and get on the pill cocktail.
To lithium helps with the absobtion. As for the infection. We still need to find the source because that has been what was breaking down my BBB. Recent studies have shown that some case of mental illness may in fact be a brain bacterial infection. Remember the brain that thing that controls our body including our mood. How can people say people are mentally ill and never do a physical exam or CT and MRI scan of the brain.
The first time I was in the hospital I came in the ER with a history of a double concussion. I had hurt my head again and want to get it checked out. I told the doctor I had not sleep in 3 day. He refusesed to check my head. I told him I was afraid to sleep because of the double concussions he did not care. Back to brain rumors. There was a man who after having intense rage was found to have a brain tumor right in the area that effect anger.
Case 3 My friend. My friend was also in a mental hospital. I never did in fact I would spit out the pills in the hospitals because I never believed in the industry. My friend after year was diagnosed with hassimotos. This is a desease that auto immune of the thyroid.
You guessed it. It can cause mental illness type symptoms. She was also diagnosed with fribromialga. These so call doctors are treating the symptoms and not looking for the cause. For the people who say that psycology worked for you did it really? Did you get other test or are you masking symptoms. People with mental illness diagnoses tend to die young because of overshadow diagnoses where the medical industry ignores the body and focuses on the mental illness. Do you have a methylation disorder.
What about a brain tumor which by that way could be masked with medication. If the tumor effect the are of the brain that produces happy transmitters so they give you happy drugs you will fell happy but the tumore is still there. Do you have Hasshimotos which could lead to death? Do you have any other physical issue that may be producing mental illness result. For the person who said their brother died and they lived. Interesting get you genes tested.
You may have genetic disorder like me. Yes he died but a lot of people die because of medication. I am sorry for your loss but his death does not validate psycology nor does your apparent success.
I say apparent because what test have you done rule out other diagnoses. My family has a history of schizophrenia something I never told any doctor because that would make things easy for them.
As it turns out my genetic test was the key for my whole family. Which was diagnosed prior to the test for the disease. Low b12 levels can cause schizophrenia type symptoms. They look identical. My inter family has been misdiagnosed. I thank God because my inter family tree will be affect by my victory. B12 that is all they will need if there have normal lithium level but if the are like most people in America they are deficient. Please get tested tract everything.
I would not be surprise if you have physical issues like poor sleeping, fatigue, constant infections or anything else that you may not be linking to mental illness. For some reason we treat the mind as if it is separate from the body. It is not. It is an organ and never accept anyone telling you to take any drug with out running test on the organ. You would not accept breast cancer treatment on by a doctor who never did an exam or test. You would not take cancer treatment without getting a mammogram.
Nor would you with out getting a biopsy. Why do we accept this behavior fort mental illness. Money an discrimination. Discrimination because the general public is scared of people with mental illness and because people think they are less than others. They will give you that line that a diabetic takes their medication you have a brain sickness you you have to take pills like a diabetic.
Wrong I diabetic has had test done. Not the same. And yes diabetic message actually make it impossible to recover and when given to pre diabetics it can induces full blown diabetes because the body does need to produce insulin so it completely stops it.
It also blocks key hormones for regulating glucose symptoms. There are so many different thing a person could take like cinnamon which opens the insulin receptors so the body can actually accept the sugar being transported by insulin so glucose does not float in the blood. Alpha Lapoic Acid, r Lapoic acid protolythic enzymes and good diet. No but there is no cure outside of western medicine. Doctors of death.
High blood pressure. Take potassium most people are deficient. It cause Harding of arteries and strokes. No they tell you take statins which killed millions of people. When the root cause is potassium deficiency. Also peeps get a heavy metal test. My antimony test was off the charts positive. I need chelation therapy. Remember those doctor people are defending have been giving us vaccines with liquid mercury and aborted fetus cells. Think about liquid mercury and the brain.
Now think of the rise of mental illness. Now think about the fact that most people feel at the mercy of doctors think the are so much smarter and blindly do as told and will never get a heavy metal test. Case a baby was diagnosed with autism is inter functional medical doctor did a heavy metal test.
Turns out it was positive for mercury and a ton of other metals. The mother asked were did he get this. The doc replied the vaccines. They are all metals used in vaccines. Liquid mercury, thimerosal. And aborted fetus cells. My mother used to mock me for telling her this because she could not believe it was true.
She got vertigo so I drove her to the hospital and the doc offered her the flu shot so thing she mocked me do not getting. I answered he and said no. The doctor asked why. I said because of liquid mercury and aborted fetus cells. She replied that if requested we could get the thimerosal free one. She said nothing on the fetus cells. My mother replied no I skip it this year. Now she is on a vitamin d regimen with me.
So while yes some are bitter because they have Ben mistreated by the system do not dismiss their story because one people like me have real test and science to back up their destain for psychology. There are million who went hunting for a cure and got one. And the cure did not come from people stating mental illness can never be cured.
Of course they will say that because if you never cured you need the needs and you a lifetime customer for their kickbacks. Conflict of interest. They get paid by pharmaceutical companies for every prescription. So the prescribe based on wallet the hottest drug and not for the patient.
That is sick. No test and no cure but plenty of pills. That industry is dark. I believe most are trying to do the right thing, even though I don't believe involuntary treatment for those who are only a danger to self is the right thing. To that end, I support increased oversight over these decisions and encourage people who may see a psychiatrist or therapist to find out what their stance is on these issues before it becomes an issue. I have done this with my own psychiatrist, and I'm satisfied with his answers.
If I had had him as my first psychiatrist, I doubt I would think much about involuntary treatment as he would have handled things very differently. I met with a shrink once and had a feeling that he was getting off on the horrible traumatic stories I was sharing.
Then I started thinking he was a serial killer of small children, and there was a dead child in the office. I'm sure he's actually a pretty great guy. I also decided I should switch to a female shrink -- she didn't trigger me when I talked about my abuse history. Hard lesson learned.
I can laugh about it now, but it was very distressing at the time. Despite how this sounds, I'm a very sane and stable person. I'm sure there is something in the power dynamics, gender same as my abuser , retelling my history, and complex PTSD with secondary psychosis that literally made me think my shrink was evil.
On the contrary, 50mg of Zoloft and I'm a brand new person. I don't have any rapport or interact much with my shrink to speak of, but she has made the most significant contribution to my quality of life that has ever happened.
That and a fantastic therapist, and I owe my life to your profession. So, thank you! Dinah A victim, as defined by Merriam- Webster, is someone that is harmed by an unpleasant event - someone that is subjected to oppression, hardship, or mistreatment. So, while the patient isn't always a victim, judging by the numerous stories of harm, real or perceived, involving encounters with the mental health system, patients are victims more often than you are willing to credit. That denial leads to one of the central issues involved in this polarization of opinion on psychiatry: Blame.
It's always the patients fault, even when it's not. I refer to "the poor lady in VT". In your previous post Insurance or not , Flotation tanks, and involuntary commitment , I tried to outline my thoughts on the matter, and the posts there from psychiatrists were illuminating, to say the least. To recap: a judge ruled that this woman was held without proper cause which, by the way, makes her a victim and both you and Dr.
Reidbord attempted a defense via disclaimer; i. But, we know enough - the authority to commit rests in law, and an arbiter of that law ruled the hold improper. That should have been enough, but it wasn't, apparently. You say that you'd like your profession to be afforded respect, but at the same time, you question the decision of a judge on a legal matter?
In his area of expertise? How about respecting his opinion? His profession? This leads to a kind of self-righteousness, and an assumed authority that exceeds boundaries. Look at Dr. Reidbord's response in the previously mentioned post - he claims that the power to initiate a hold is equal to the policing concept of probable cause.
Probable cause, however, allows arrest when known facts cause an officer to believe a crime has been committed; not on intent to commit but on actually committed - note the past tense. Psychiatrists actually have more leeway in arresting than the police do - and yes, arrest is the right word. Then there's the semi-veiled hostility in some of the psychiatrist's posts here, principally Jesse and Joel Hassman, MD.
Nathan's post already touched on that subject, and quite well I think. I just want to add that those posts remind me of the Rosenhan Experiments - proof that if all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail. To paraphrase - if all you have is psychiatry, then everyone appears mentally ill. Characterological indeed. Since characterological relates to the character of individuals and the differences between them, of course its characterological. Everything everyone does is according to their character.
Perhaps the reference is to characterological vs. I don't know, this statement seems to be a catch-all bunker position; a go-to statement when there is nothing else to offer. A lashing out, so to speak. That's how it comes across, anyway; but then, I'm not a psychiatrist, I haven't undergone the apotheosis, so perhaps this has meaning beyond the mortal sphere that I reside in. Or maybe not. Catlover, you are always welcome here, and we are happy to have you.
Your commentary will not, however, change the world and if you'd like to do that, there is a better chance with your own blog, or better yet, by lobbying state legislators. JeSuis: you are saying the same thing over and over, and you should also have your own blog.
Your insistence that psychiatrists are evil persecutors is inappropriate to this forum and I am deleting your comments from here on. Those who agree with you already agree with your and this is not the correct for it. Those who do not agree with you feel intruded upon and annoyed by your tunnel vision.
Please find another forum. While I think we all know that statements like "all psychiatrists are evil" are caricatures at best that no one actually believes that everyone who has completed a residency in psychiatry is an "evil" person, whether they chose psychiatry because they were evil to begin with or became evil in their residency.
I don't mean to take this lightly, I believe that threats of violence should be taken seriously. But if someone says such a clear blanket statement, I don't see it as much different than "all politicians are evil or corrupt" or "all lawyers are slimy. With further thought, "evil" can be considered a description of character. Perhaps psychiatrists don't like hearing their character being maligned and scrubbed of nuance because of a label they have psychiatrist. Perhaps this discomfort leads to lashing out of calling people "characterological" or "personality" disordered.
Or maybe it works the other way too, being reduced to character or diagnostic labels leads to lashing out against the folks who assigned them. I wonder if monikers of "evil" and "characterological" or "personality disordered" etc. The main difference is that mental health professionals can get the labels they assign to stick in records and psyches that have very real life consequences, and other folks can always have their comments deleted on a blog that admittedly by Dinah isn't consequential anyway.
I will close my comments on this topic by saying I haven't seen much of "all psychiatrists are evil" crowd on Shrink Rap. Even more, if labelled part of that crowd, it frees mental health professionals from having to engage with any criticism or argument they don't want to engage in and not have to think so critically about their own work if they don't want to.
I'd be willing to bet that the vast majority of situations being attributed to "evil" or "power-tripping" would be much better explained by burn-out. I apparently was mistaken about warrantless police arrests. Although intent to commit a felony can add to criminal charges e. I apologize for the error, and agree that psychiatric holds differ from criminal arrests in this way. He is very openly hostile. And I'm starting to get really offended. In fact, it seems that everyone Joel doesn't like, including patients who give him dirty looks, are Axis 2.
These aren't even my words. This is stuff that he has actually said on this blog in the past. Only Axis 2 people look at him with hatred on inpatient units. It is not possible that some of these people just genuinely don't like him.
Frankly, I think if Je Suis is banned from this blog, then Joel should have been banned about 20 posts or more ago. I was actually happy when Joel came on once and said he was done at this blog. I thought, Finally! And then he actually came back! Nobody thinks it changes the world. People think it might change the negative parts of YOU.
But it doesn't, because you are incapable of hearing what is being said if there is any intimation whatsoever that you might be in the wrong. Or, even, that you might be able to be better. You, great god-like Dinah, are always in the right. We silly patients should know better then to dare to think otherwise. Hassman's honestly is more brutal than suits my taste, if you look at the body of his work and his comments, you will see that he is actually fighting for the benefit of patients, and that his ire is just as strong, if not stronger, for those in his profession.
Nathan - There is a strong anti-psychiatry crowd, maybe not here, but if you spend any time on Mad in America you will plainly see it. The one huge issue I have with them is that they are high on anti- and short on pro- In addition, many times they make no sense. Case in point, the woman that was involuntarily detained in VT, although I feel for her experience, was vindicated by a law already in place. Now she fights for new legislation against involuntary commitment. I had this woman sit outside my room who was mentally ill and needed more help then she was getting," Schumacher told the senators.
She said the woman would scream obscene comments. So, get rid of the involuntary commitment altogether, for what, so the mentally ill woman could sit on the street outside her home under her bedroom window yelling obscenities? It was only an example of how the anti-psychiatry crowd needs to figure out how to get viable alternatives to what exists today vs just bashing psychiatrists.
If they come up with that, they won't need to bash psychiatrists, they will either change or become irrelevant. If they get their wish through turning the tide against psychiatry or even something like budget cuts, and no alternatives exist, they had best be prepared for how society will treat them.
Things can get worse than they already are. I remember when the mental hospitals were closed with the promise of community clinics, which never came. The prison system became the de facto hospitals. There have been comments on SR at times that said that the problem is the psychiatrists, that they had potential power to commit patients, whether they used it or not.
Well, every citizen has that potential power, and if a person is acting strangely or in a way to disturb the public there is always the chance he will be arrested, charged, and end up in conditions far worse than what any psychiatric action could do. Those of us psychiatrists who post and comment here are interested in helping people, and Dinah is one of the more active and vocal in this regard. And I agree that Dr. Hassman has patients' interests in mind.
He is blunt but good-hearted and I bet his patients feel lucky to have worked with him. To be fair to the folks at Mad in America, there is a segment, mostly therapists but not exclusively, writing about what works to heal people or the research being done to find it.
Interesting stuff and far more helpful than the constant bashing. My psychiatrist is great. I've met a lot of great psychiatrists.
I've also met some that need to evaluate their career choice. Semmelweis recommended washing hands in chlorinated water before contact with patients.
According to psychology professor Robyn M. Only after Dr. Semmelweis' death did the germ theory of disease gain acceptance and vindicate his beliefs. Now, Semmelweis University in Budapest, Hungary, which has schools of medicine, dentistry, and pharmacy, is named after him.
Elaine Kennedy, M. According to an Associated Press report, later that year, on December 17, , she went to the office of Dr. Ferroll Sams III, an internal medicine specialist of Fayetteville, Georgia to review the medical records of her elderly aunt. Kennedy was reportedly "hostile, demanding, and interfering" regarding her aunt's medical care. Sams was apparently displeased by another physician questioning the treatment provided and had Dr. Kennedy committed to a psychiatric facility after writing on the commitment form she was delusional, hyperactive and manic-depressive.
Kennedy must undergo "evaluation by a psychiatrist of the board's choosing" for "an independent psychiatric evaluation of licensee", after which her license to practice medicine was reinstated. In a lawsuit that followed, Dr. Sams for wrongful commitment. The jury said the commitment was "unlawful" and that Dr. Sams "did not act in good faith" when he had Dr. Kennedy involuntarily committed. Both Dr. Semmelweis and Dr. Kennedy were involuntarily committed to an insane asylum or psychiatric facility because of their exercise of the right of free speech.
So was psychologist Al Siebert, Ph. He describes the experience in a chapter in Dr. Siebert was accused of mental illness because he began to speculate "about why a suppressed need for esteem compels people to force unwanted help onto others I explained how the perception of mental illness in others is mostly a stress reaction in the mind of the beholder. Siebert's right of free speech, called him mentally ill, and demanded he go to a mental hospital as a patient.
When threatened with involuntary commitment, Dr. Siebert entered a mental hospital "voluntarily" because he believed "a person who goes into a mental hospital voluntarily can get out much more easily than a person who is committed.
Like virtually all psychiatric hospital patients, Dr. Siebert was forced to take at least one psychiatric drug, in his case Thorazine: "I saw that they would use force if necessary.
Make me take shots maybe put me in an isolation room. I reached out for the cup the nurse held out to me. The aides relaxed and stepped back. What happened to Drs. Kennedy and Siebert is reason to wonder if some of us in America are equally bad. When I told Dr. Thomas Szasz about my efforts, as a lawyer, to stop kangaroo court commitment proceedings in the U.
Otherwise, desist. Was Dr. Szasz correct about America having become a nation where asking for justice is asking for trouble? Florida Avenue Route 41 Inverness, Florida Institutionalizing Dishonesty Psychiatry is evil because dishonesty is a routine part of what psychiatrists and those who work with them do.
Quinnett, Ph. Fuller Torrey, M. In later books and through his Treatment Advocacy Center , Dr. He quotes Paul Applebaum, M. Torrey continues: Families also exaggerate their family member's symptoms to get the person committed to a hospital. In a study of 83 families in Philadelphia, 18 percent said they had lied or exaggerated to officials in order to get a relative committed.
In fact a number of local officials with the Alliance for the Mentally Ill AMI , a nationwide support group for families, say they privately counsel families to lie, if necessary, to get acutely ill relatives hospitalized. They say they were attacked when they weren't, they say their children tried to kill themselves when they didn't Thus, ignoring the law, exaggerating symptoms, and outright lying to get care for those who need it are important reasons the mental illness system is not even worse than it is.
What Dr. This implies that people have a right to kill themselves if they wish. I believe this is so" Penguin Books, p. In The Death of Psychiatry Dr. Torrey repeatedly puts the word disease , when referring to mental disease, in mocking quotation marks as I often do.
On pages and of The Death of Psychiatry he puts quotation marks around the word disease six times to indicate he did not believe mental disease is real disease. He puts quotation marks around the words hospital and hospitals when referring to psychiatric or mental hospitals as a way of indicating they are really prisons e.
In at the Thomas S. Szasz, "Whatever happened to Fuller Torrey?! Szasz answered with a single word, "Funding", and suggested I ask another psychiatrist who was with us that night, Dr. Ron Leifer, who gave me the same answer. Szasz wrote an article about Dr. Although Dr. Torrey intended his above quoted words to be a critique of laws he says wrongfully protect the liberty of supposedly mentally ill people, the important lesson of what Dr.
Human nature being the same everywhere, this habitual dishonesty is probably a reality all around the world. This dishonesty undermines rule of law and makes America's or any democracy's promise of liberty a broken promise. Additional evidence of routine dishonesty in civil commitment of supposedly mentally ill and dangerous persons is found in The Clinical Prediction of Violent Behavior Jason Aronson, Inc.
The edition of this book was cited by the U. Supreme Court in Barefoot v. Estelle , U. Monahan] as 'the leading thinker on'" the question of whether psychiatrists have the ability to predict future human behavior. In the edition of this book, Dr. Monahan points out that in Baxstrom v. Herold , U. Attorney General of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania , F. Supp court decisions caused the release of prisoners detained because of predictions by psychiatrists or psychologists they would be violent if released from custody.
Additionally, "Only 14 percent of the [ Dixon ] patients were discovered to have engaged in behaviors injurious to other persons within 4 years after their release" p.
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